Furious

I am furious at Channel 4's decision to screen an Islamic alternative Christmas message with a women in a full face veil.

I have some questions for Channel 4's chief executive Andy Duncan


1. Why do Channel 4 go out of their way not to offend ethnic minorities, specifically the Muslim community, when Channel 4 is happy to offend large swathes of the british public - on the traditional Christian holy day of christmas - with a muslim women in a full Islamic veil?


2. Will Channel 4 be inviting beer swigging naked women to introduce Ramadan or the Eid festival next year? Or is it just open season on the british public?


3. As a non-muslim I find the veil offensive, so why aren't my views taken into account? Does political correctness only extend to minorities?


4. Why has Channel 4 never screened Submission by Theo Van Gogh? Why has Channel 4 never screened the satirical mohammed cartoons?


5. Can Channel 4 not see that is is fueling extremism, resentment and antagonism against Britiains Muslim community by deciding to air the voice of an Islamic extremist - I use the word extemist since only 1% of Britains muslim population wear the full face veil?

14 Responses to “Furious”

  1. # Blogger Malcolm

    A media company kow-towing to radical islam ? Blimey, whatever next, I expected this sort of nonsense from the BBC.
    This is disgusting, we should write to Channel 4 and tell them so. British soldiers are dying fighting radical islam while British broadcasters are supporting the people that our troops are fighting.  

  2. # Anonymous Anonymous

    write to them and post the reply  

  3. # Blogger jonz

    I did after a I read your comment anon ;)

    Malcolm couldn't agree more. People are dying due to the dark forces of literalist islam, yet we have some daft bint in the black sack of islam on our fucking christmas day? FFS!

    Talk about ramming it down your throat. Apparently she's going to whine about Iraq, etc, the usual claptrap - patently ignoring the muslim arab militia genocide in sudan  

  4. # Anonymous Anonymous

    i wonder if she will mention anything about the law on rape in Pakistan? Apparently a woman is raped every two hours there, and get this, currently if you go to the police you need 4 male witnesses to the crime, otherwise you will get done for adultery which carries the death penalty.

    Cunts!  

  5. # Blogger DalaiDahmer

    Or is it just open season on the british public?

    did you intend to suggest christmas is sacred to all of the british public?
    i don't mean to suggest you are a racist or a bigot, but you can see how the way you wrote that assumes a british public that celebrates christ through christmas, and one that would be naturally offended by a muslim being allowed to speak on one channel of the five available.

    personally i don't celebrate christ through christmas, and feel that the entire holiday is an insult to the celtic ancestors of mine who were murdered and had their religion destroyed by the foreign influence of the christian church.
    i'm over it, though.
    those people won't be brought back to life by attacking the religion of their conquerors.
    i'm a briton who is no more offended by the muslim woman being given a spot than i am offended by the assumption of christian values for all of britain.

    you don't speak for my britain, and i suspect there are others who feel the same.

    for one thing, when you appear to assume britons are christian you assume too far.
    the people who stole this country and put themselves on the throne(or in the governor's fort) might have been christian and certainly brought their religion with them, but that religion comes from the middle east and is far from ubiuitous.
    personally i don't care what religion you want to practise or where it comes from. being upset because others are given the opportunity to express their own choice is a bit off, though.

    i think your rant is uncalled for and strange in it's focus. railing against a clearly labelled alternative message that is there to speak to those alienated by the constant reinforcement of one faith's holiday seems a bit much.

    what gives your favourite middle eastern religion the exclusive right to british airtime over someone else's?

    why do you feel it is appropriate to 'balance' someone from another religion being given airtime with something designed to offend her faith?(your point 2.) as far as i am aware she isn't speaking with the purpose to offend you, yet you suggest an escalation to do just that.

    why does the veil offend you, incidentally? i assume it's a freedom issue, but i'd be curious to know what exactly you think the problem is.


    oh, and malcolm;
    British soldiers are dying fighting radical islam while British broadcasters are supporting the people that our troops are fighting.

    nobody is supporting irai insurgents on channel four.
    this is a british muslim woman, not a representative of any militia.
    to conflate the two, islam and iraq, is to act as much of an idiot as any racist. you may mean well, but your ignorance and lack of ability to understand is on display.
    (for one thing, britain has muslim soldiers, and some irai insurgents have secular aims)

    the Conservative American magazine has an article you might find interesting.
    it's all about suicide terrorists and the like, both there and in other parts of the world.
    don't read it if you don't want to, but i'd definitely recommend it.

    it's filled with intersting titbits. i didnt realise the 'suicide vest' idea is from sri lanka until i read that article, for example. i had always asumed it was invented in palestine.  

  6. # Blogger DalaiDahmer

    apologies for the typos.
    the keyboard i am using has missing keys, and i have been copying and pasting some letters.  

  7. # Anonymous Anonymous

    pow ! hows that for a comment. I agree fully with DalaiDahmer. I've been raised as a christian yet im not offended by the veil, although i equally don't understand why christmas would offend anyone else. I do have to agree with malcom that channel four seems to be playing on the tensions of the public, maybe to get higher viewing figures or just to irritate people. I think christianity is messed up at the moment. The ideals are fine, but you should know that it is intertwined with the Quran.

    Also, don't forget that most people dont even want this war, its only because bush wants to stock his oil reserves and as far as im concerned if you join the army then you're a fool. The world doesnt need soldiers, the world needs people who create not destroy for others.  

  8. # Anonymous Anonymous

    http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/tm_headline=-i-won-t-be-watching-my-xmas-message---i-always-watch-the-queen--&method=full&objectid=18223202&siteid=94762-name_page.html  

  9. # Anonymous havidah

    Dalai

    why does the veil offend you, incidentally?

    why shouldnt it? It represents an element of misogyny (just a tad!) in a society that treats men and women as equal. None of your comment really is very insightful. Very bigoted though.

    Well done to this blog for calling the absurd on C4. Yasmin Alibhai Brown argued strongly for us all to ignore the veil - shrugged her shoulders like you and thouhgt nothing of it - free society...free to oppress yourself if you wanna!. She then discovered that women are forced to wear the veil here in the UK and often suffer abuse which the veil is used to hide. Please read her thoughts and then come back and post more bigoted bullshit for us all to hear. Perhaps C4 could have asked one of these women whose voices go unheard to speak in this slot. Or a moderate who hasnt got issues with equality. I would not advocate a veil ban but I think you should go away and do some homework before sweepingly ranting on about...what you are you ranting on about? That its wrong to criticize C4 or call the veil bullshit? Why? Just as she is entitled to self oppress, we are all entitled to criticize. Thats the way it should be for religion. And C4 would do well to remember that the veil has had heaps of publicity this year - its time for a muslim who opposes it to have a say.  

  10. # Blogger DalaiDahmer

    why shouldn't it?
    i think you miss the point.
    i was asking why it did, not saying it shouldn't.
    if the reason our drunken blogging friend hates it is the misogyny(and that would be about as good a reason as he might have) then i am puzzled as to why he suggests in his latest post that the gender of the clerk is an issue.
    that doesn't sound like someone who is sensitive to misogyny, rendering that motive unlikely.
    perhaps if our host could share his thoughts?

    It represents an element of misogyny (just a tad!) in a society that treats men and women as equal.
    you say that, leading me to suspect you have never really engaged with gender issues.
    men and women are not treated equally in this country. i think the balance is far better than in many other countries, but it is still far from equal.
    None of your comment really is very insightful.
    i'm sorry none of it resonated with you.
    Very bigoted though.
    i'm not sure i understand.
    what form of bigotry do you think i was displaying?
    as it is i don't agree, but perhaps you can shed some light on the blind spot.
    free society...free to oppress yourself if you wanna!
    that is the basic rule, yeah.
    it's when you start telling other people what to do that it gets to be a problem.
    if a woman is being forced to wear a veil, that is pretty horrendous.
    if she is being forced to remove it i don't think that's all that much better.

    think of it from her perspective.
    if her modesty suggests she should cover up and you remove her right to do so, how is she likely to feel?
    imagine if you were asking a woman who felt that the minimum amount of clothing required to be decent was jeans and a tshirt to remove her tshirt.
    i wouldn't expect you to demand that either, however much you felt she was demeaning herself by covering up her breasts.
    why do women cover their breasts, incidentally?
    i understand a bra offers support, but surely that could be see through?
    i mean, why don't more people wander around naked?
    could it be that we have obscenity laws that restrict that?

    She then discovered that women are forced to wear the veil here in the UK and often suffer abuse which the veil is used to hide.
    that sounds horrible.
    could you link to the research?
    Pleashts and then come back and post more bigoted bullshit for us all to hear.
    i'd rather notengage in bogotry if avoidable, but as i have no idea what bigotry i am supposed to be committing, i am not sure i will be able to avoid it.
    could you enlighten me?

    Just as she is entitled to self oppress, we are all entitled to criticize.
    i agree.
    and i am just as entitled to call you on your criticism, if i feel it is necessary.
    That's the way it should be for religion.
    i agree.
    do you feel channel four should not give a voice to this woman, then?
    if she is entitled, then i can't see why not.
    her voice is as valid as anyone's, isn't it?
    it seems strange to pick on her, and i have yet to hear a satisfactory reason why one would.

    And C4 would do well to remember that the veil has had heaps of publicity this year - its time for a muslim who opposes it to have a say.
    it has had a lot of publicity, hasn't it?
    most of it seems to have been negative, or kick started by folks who don't actually wear one.
    i think it would be a shame to waste this opportunity to show the country that women who wear the veil are not only ever on television when engaged in debates with non-muslims who seek to tell them how to dress.  

  11. # Blogger DalaiDahmer

    it would seem fair to dismiss havidah's accusations towards me, if he is unwilling to defend them.

    feel free to return to this, havidah.

    until you do i shall assume you were merely engaged in mudslinging slander and are not back to defend your position because it is indefensible.  

  12. # Blogger Malcolm

    Well well well. The veiled lady won't be giving the C4 alternative Christmas speech after all.
    A source close to the programme makers said one of the reasons was that she had been pressurised by senior members of the community who felt it was not her place to talk about Islam.
    Of course a religion whose book is intertwined with Christianity (eh ? Have you ever read the Koran, dalaidahmer ?) is too intolerant to allow someone who is worth less than half of a man to speak in public.  

  13. # Blogger DalaiDahmer

    i have read some of the qu'uran, yeah, but only in a version that has a page of english oppostite each page of arabic.
    i have been made aware that this is not considered to be THE qu'uran.
    i have yet to learn enough arabic to read it as it is meant to be read, bti have a general conception of many parts of it and have discussed islam with a few muslims who know more than i do.


    i am also fairly well versed in both the bible and the torah, and some of the other religious texts of the world, including the baghavad ghita, the tao te ching, the corpus hermeticum, and a few other works by commentators.
    i've also read dawkins and other modern day atheists' take on disporoving religion. probably the earliest of those would be sartre, but i may be forgetting someone.

    (i've also dipped into dianetics and wathced their videos, but i',m not sure it's fair to anyone on the planet to put scientology on the same level as the other world religions, as it was created entirely as a money making scheme by mr hubbard.)

    why do you ask?
    it seems strange to require my 'credentials' when you ask for no one else's.



    i'd appreciate some links to those reports you describe as telling us of a source close to the programme, malcolm.
    was the suggestion that she had been asked by her imam, or by other members of the community?  

  14. # Blogger DalaiDahmer

    also,
    too intolerant to allow someone who is worth less than half of a man to speak in public.

    um... the lady works a s a lecturer on islamic studies, so i don't really think your point is anything other than an assumptive swipe at a religion you don't like. she speaks in public all the time, and she talks on the topic of the religion you suggest is not open to her speaking.
    which would sugges you either were not aware of that(widely reported fact, suggesting you havent read any of the reports and are assuiming) or ignored it(ignoring the facts that contradict your point is ill-advised at best and at worst...well, i'd rather not speculate).

    the daily telegraph, hardly a bastion of islam, reported that she pulled out because of unexpected publicity, as well as mentioning the unnamed source you cite.
    why didnt you mention the other version of events?
    y'know, hers?
    why is her opinion o her actions less valid than that of an anonymous figure?
    she may hide her face, but the source hides entirely, leaving us nothing we might use to identify their reliability as a witness.

    so why believe that over her?  

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