Muslims Incite Hatred to Catholics and the Pope

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Extemist Muslims inciting hatred against Catholics and Christians

As we came out about 100 Islamists were chanting slogans such as “Pope Benedict go to Hell,” “Pope Benedict you will pay, the Muja Hadeen are coming your way,” “Pope Benedict watch your back,” and other hateful things.
Last year a man had a poster saying "Islam out of Britain" he was promptly arrested and convicted.

Mark Norwood, an activist of the British National party, displayed in the window of his flat in Gobowen, a small town in Shropshire, a poster with the words "Islam out of Britain" next to a photograph of the World Trade Centre in flames, he was tried and convicted under a 2001 amendment to the 1998 Crime and Disorder Act.
I wonder if we will see the even hand of the authorities in this matter? I won't hold my breath.

Updates:

Anonymous commentor has pointed me to an online poll, Should the Pope Apologise?

And El Viejo points me to perhaps more evidence of double standards regarding an evangelical Christian facing court for leaflets offensive to gays.

But hang on second, don't we have Muslims the length and breadth of the country openly saying homophobic remarks? Another double standard?

There appears to be a lack of consistency. We can't have Muslims getting 'special treatment' or getting off lighter than everyone else on account of their 'culture'. This will and is inevitably fuelling antagonism.

Who doubts if we had a group of Christians calling for the deaths of prominent Muslims that they wouldn't be arrested???

37 Responses to “Muslims Incite Hatred to Catholics and the Pope”

  1. # Blogger Malcolm

    Oh, couldn't find anything about this on BBC news website, or on BBC tv or Sky news.
    I think it was a mirage, it didn't really happen. The religion of peace wouldn't say such nasty, evil things. That religion wasn't spread by the sword, oh no, of course not.  

  2. # Blogger jonz

    Yes we are collectively hallucinating. There is nothing in the news about this, apart from blogs, at all.

    Normally when we collectively imagine things like this, it will mysteriously get mentioned in an opinion piece about a week or two later in one of the newspapers where it wasn't reported.  

  3. # Blogger Malcolm

    Just out of interest, is there anything that doesn't offend muslims ?  

  4. # Blogger Granny Weatherwax

    I have managed to find an on-line press report of this from This is London, the website of the London Evening Standard.
    No photos unfortunately, a picture being worth 1000 words.
    The Pope must die, says Muslim

    As well as placards attacking the Pope such as "Pope go to Hell", his followers outside the country's principal Roman Catholic church also waved slogans aimed at offending the sentiments of Christians such as "Jesus is the slave of Allah".  

  5. # Blogger jonz

    Malcolm I do believe sometime during the 7th century Mohammed smiled on a couple of occasions. It's been pretty much down hill from there, lol.

    Thanks Granny weatherwax, I stand corrected it's now in the Standard newspaper group.

    That Anjem Choudary sure is a character, ain't he?  

  6. # Anonymous Anonymous

    Here's one (in a newspaper, or atleast their website):

    Titled: The Pope must die, says Muslim
    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23367232-details/The+Pope+must+die%2C+says+Muslim/article.do

    There is also a poll, asking should the pope apologize? So far about 2/3 say "No".  

  7. # Blogger El Viejo

    Here's another story on UK Police's double standard, not sure what happened with it:

    http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article-23365857-details/Christian+faces+court+over+%27offensive%27+gay+festival+leaflets/article.do  

  8. # Blogger jonz

    Of FFS. Thanks EL Viejo

    'It is noticeable that police never arrest Muslims who make remarks about homosexuality. They pick on Christians because it is easy, just as they pick on middle class drivers for speeding because it is easier than catching burglars.'

    Indeed.

    We need consistency, not one rule for an "ethnic minority group" (Muslims) and another for the rest of us.  

  9. # Blogger jonz

    Thanks anon for the heads up on the poll  

  10. # Anonymous pan

    Recognise.

    Fear the dark armies.  

  11. # Blogger jonz

    Oh dear Pan! You really are an ageing hippy who has taken to much LSD!

    You are subject to bias just as much as in anyone else. I don't really know what your goals or aims are, but I suspect it's some "utopian" ideal such as Marxism.  

  12. # Anonymous pan

    "You are subject to bias just as much as in anyone else"

    Most likely, yeah. But I at least try and recognise it when it happens. I like to take a breather and think about whether or not I'm being cynically whipped up into hysteria by the disproportionate focus on these miniscule and statistically insignificant protests and the others before it (I'm thinking of the 50 or so guys, out of a billion, who made it down to the "behead those who insult Islam" march that had you all shitting your pants last time - I mean, come on fellas, fifty guys? My ass did not quake.)

    For someone who claims to be so critical of the "MSM" you are surprisingly receptive to its relentless hyping up of these piddling events. Even the Guardian, who you would probably accuse of downplaying the terrifying MUSLIM threat of terrifying terror, featured those fifty guys prominently on the front page at the time, whereas a 100,000 strong march in central London for a ceasefire in the Lebanon/Israel conflict, at which there were significantly more than fifty Muslims in attendance, received barely a mention.

    Why? Because SCARY MUSLIMS MUSLIMS MUSLIMS is the order of the day for the guts of the media. Fear sells papers, even when it's based around a picture of a mere fifty or so angry guys, who, let's not forget, never did get around to actually beheading anybody.

    You are so receptive to the media's message even to the point where you replicate on your own pages its current relentless obsession with SCARY MUSLIMS MUSLIMS MUSLIMS. Three posts on this silly pope business? Dude, I hate to break it to you, but you are being played, pure and simple.

    Your friend Tu s. Tin is right to be concerned about the effect this media-induced obsession is having on you. When it gets to the point where an anonymous commenter can pop up and say blatantly ignorant, hate-filled and bigoted things like "Muslims are retarded ... inferior" etc. without reprimand, you know you're in trouble.

    And all this talk of the West's relative civilisation... well, let's not forget about the event commonly considered to be the worst atrocity of all time: the Holocaust. The industrial slaughter of entire races of people could only have been carried out on such a massive scale in a highly organised Western civilisation much like ours, and could only have been carried out under the noses of the German people (and much of the rest of the West) with the help of virulent anti-semitic propaganda of Der Stürmer and the like. The "uncivilised" Muslims have been responsible for nothing so monumentally barbaric as this. It's worth bearing in mind.  

  13. # Blogger jonz

    Oh dear Pan!

    I didn't think you'd come back with a fucking electron microscope!

    You are obviously highly educated, it saddens me you have to be such a patronising git.

    You are 'Lenin' are you not?  

  14. # Blogger Tu s. Tin

    wow pan!!!!!
    I agree,
    thank you,
    and Im impressed by your comment, I used to think you were an idiot?
    Media, and politics will be the end of us all. we will need to come together as a people and start thinking for our selves and working together... no matter what our differences or beliefs.  

  15. # Anonymous pan

    "You are 'Lenin' are you not?"

    No.

    If you want a more succinct and less patronising version try Tu s. Tin's words, above: "Media, and politics will be the end of us all. we will need to come together as a people and start thinking for our selves and working together... no matter what our differences or beliefs"

    Politicians and their media mouthpieces, in this country and elsewhere, have ambitions that do not involve us thinking for ourselves as fellow human beings. Therefore: they are at pains to supply our thoughts for us, to drive us apart and to pit against each other.

    If we allow this to continue, it's going to get really ugly, really soon.  

  16. # Blogger jonz

    Media, and politics will be the end of us all. we will need to come together as a people and start thinking for our selves and working together... no matter what our differences or beliefs.

    Oh I see! You're right! I renounce all my mental faculties! I am off to speak with the local jihadis to see what I can do to help.

    What a load of poppycock!

    Please explain, oh enlightened ones, why I am not thinking for myself?

    All you have done is criticise me. Neither have you have said a word of condemnation for anyone except myself or the pope. But that's right. The enemy is anyone who is concerned enough about life and liberty to want to defend it.

    All we need for for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing

    And doing something does not have in its remit criticising those who defend seek to defend liberty with his or her heart and mind.  

  17. # Blogger jonz

    If we allow this to continue, it's going to get really ugly, really soon.

    LOL! Yes so right. If only the media woud ignore those silly men who plan to explode 10 Airliner jets. Why are they so negative all the time? If only they would concentrate on the good things that Muslims do!

    Your rheotric is a disgrace to all those people that have suffered in the name of Islam. Pity you.  

  18. # Anonymous pan

    "Please explain, oh enlightened ones, why I am not thinking for myself?"

    Because it is abundantly clear that you take your cues from the mass media. This blog often stays dormant for days and weeks at a time, and lo and behold, the minute the latest tempest-in-a-teacup SCARY MUSLIM story makes our hysterical front pages, you spring immediately to life like a Pavlovian dog. It is entirely predictable, and profoundly depressing.

    Are you really telling us that we are to be worried about these two-bit radical groups, these highly unrepresentative and paltry fringe elements, and their placards? And are we to be worried to the extent that we sully the good name of the billion or so Muslims who just want to live in peace all over the world, and who work in your HR department, in your library, in your emergency ward, drive your bus, rent you videos? Really?

    "Neither have you have said a word of condemnation for anyone except myself or the pope"

    Well actually, you'll notice that I haven't condemned anybody, dude. I ain't the condemning type. I'm having this discussion with you, because this is your blog. I personally couldn't give a fuck about the pope or the guy with the SCARY PLACARD WITH BAD THINGS WRITTEN ON IT. It's bizarre to me that anybody on the planet gives two shits about anything said either of those idiots.

    "The enemy is anyone who is concerned enough about life and liberty to want to defend it"

    You know, I could ask you at this point what you have done recently to defend the lives of the Lebanese or the Palestinians. I could ask you about your no doubt trenchant defence of the liberties of those currently incarcerated without charge in Guantanamo Bay and in secret CIA prisons across the planet. But that would be a cheap shot.

    "All we need for for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing"

    Wise words indeed, but you assume that there is consensus over the nature of the "evil" that we face. Tu s. Tin is leagues ahead of you on this issue. As I say, I am far from convinced of the threat to my life and liberty as posed by the words on a few dozen placards somewhere.

    "If only the media woud ignore those silly men who plan to explode 10 Airliner jets"

    Well, leaving aside that these are unproven allegations, you have hit the nail on the head right there. If these guys did indeed plan to do what we are told, then you are right: they are silly men. What they are not, however, is a giant existential threat to "The West" that should cause us our collective buttocks to clench any time some bearded dude with a permanent marker and a board on a stick hits the pavement. Chill out, man.

    And if Western security services are loudly trumpeting form the rooftops that they have foiled a dastardly terrot plot, then yes of course this should be reported. But it shold be reported proportionately - cautiously, even - as opposed to the ridiculous ten-page spreads we had in nearly every newspaper in the country (yes, The Guardian, too) telling us in minute detail all about the things which may possibly have perhaps occurred in the event that the alleged plot did in fact succeed. It was an absurd and grotesque spectacle, made even more so by this simple fact: nothing actually happened. There were no blown up planes, just as there were no beheadings dealt out for the cartoon insults against Islam.

    Perspective, dude.  

  19. # Anonymous alison

    First off Pan, Jonz recognizes a distinct media failure in its skew. The criticism of the protests is valid because it is actually attacking what you are accusing Jonz of. That ridiculous penchant muslims have for whipping themselves into hysteria without actually bothering to read the remarks the Pope made. It wasnt just 50 blurrks with some nasty placards. It was another worldwide muslim backlash verging on the absurd. So…the media were part of the 'outrage' factory on the Pope's speech now, by shamelessly playing to many Muslim's pre-disposition to be incited by reporting what the Pope said, in a manner that played on that pre-disposition? (to borrow from someone else).

    The headline facts are as they are - the media can only tell it like it is. We are all perfectly capable of discerning the fear factor that the media engenders when it lets a story run and run, in fact we almost become immune to it. But you cannot censor what is actually happening as often as it is and by whom. And you alluding to your conspiracy theories makes you sound something like either a closet loon or someone who doesnt relish the security services actually saving lives.

    ‘Scary scary muslims’ have every opportunity to dispel the fear factor themselves. Headlines aside, editorial comes into play. Whenever a faction does something or says something newsworthy (and events like 9/11, 7/7, Baslan, Bali, riots are newsworthy whether you like it or not), the press is then compelled to get a reaction from various camps and in this respect, muslims here are very well served. You speak of proportion? Why is it when this opportunity is presented that camp chooses to ladle on the fear with veiled threats – “keep calling us violent and we will be violent!!!!!”. To the thunderous sound of absolute silence from the so called moderate muslims they purport to represent.

    Fear may well sell newspapers and the media do need to reflect on how they oil the Islamist machine by giving their barbaric acts the airtime they crave, for sure, but you cannot hide facts without censorship. Equally the opportunities are there for leaders and spokespeople to dispel the association with Islam outright, to speak out against the facts that we cannot hide. So far its been pathetic.

    These moderate muslims leaders who claim to talk for communities are called upon to advise governments. Lets take for example, Iqbal Sacranie who condemned July 7 whilst a few years ago advocating a fatwa for Salman Rushdie (‘death is not good enough for him’). Jonz is right to point out inadeqacies and blatant hypocrisy in this regard. And, bad luck, but he is entitled to strongly criticize a religion. You are suggesting he isn’t because Islam is how muslims define themselves and their culture making it ‘racist’ to do so. Rubbish. It’s a deeply flawed religion, like many. And the majority of those who suffer under it and from it ARE muslims.

    Islam needs its enlightenment and is up there for criticism just as Christianity has been.

    Jonz is ‘attacking’ the likes of melanie bunting. She prefers to censor criticism of a religion, which badly needs it, in favour of censoring the Pope. You must be able to see how such an argument merits condemnation?

    This ‘silly pope business’ continues to be important because Islam, not only extremists, is utterly unable to accept criticism, respond in a mature way to it and use reason - and we are slowly losing OUR freedoms to cosset this attitude. So yeah your arse should be twitching a little bit more.

    Your mention of the anti war demos is ODD. That demo received infinitely more coverage than the well attended pro Israeli rally in North London.

    Regards the anonymous comments. Ive also seen some outright hate filled disgusting remarks made about his friend who died on July 7. I didnt see you wading in there to protest that that sort of shit is unacceptable though you clearly regularly read this blog. You don’t have ANY moral high ground and to use it here is laughable.

    Finally you address the Holocaust. Another way of looking at this in the context of your media argument, is - Was the Holocaust well served by the lack of media attention? Had we been more aware of the atrocities being committed I suspect global outrage would have seen governments compelled to act sooner to prevent it. Or would you have waded in to suggest there was too much disproportionate focus on demonising the Germans? Wasnt it all a conspiracy anyway? Ask Irans big cheese.

    Yes the media is deeply flawed much more so outside the West - Muslim countries spew anti semitic media brainwashing propaganda of the type you speak on an almost daily basis. Holocaust denial. And they parade their kids up and down as mini soldiers and take great pride in it. They demonize jews as pigs and jewish leaders as blood drinking meglomaniacs. None of this is covered in the West.

    By and large the msm tiptoes round muslim sensibilities as if on hot coals. Belittling what amounted to a horrific planned attack, with most of those arrested now charged, because it didnt occur is a funny idea of perspective.  

  20. # Blogger jonz

    these highly unrepresentative and paltry fringe elements

    Yes that's right Pan

    If you call 40% of British muslims who want Sharia as "fringe".

    * 40% want Sharia law in the UK
    * 37% of Muslims in Britain think British Jews are a
    "legitimate target"
    * 7% think suicide bombing is legitimate in Britain
    * 25% sympathise with the "motives" of the British
    Terrorists who committed the 7/7 atrocities
    * 6% (over 100,000 Muslims) think the 7/7 atrocities were
    "fully justified"
    * That scores of Islamic inspired terrorism attacks by British
    Muslims have been foiled  

  21. # Anonymous pan

    Alison. What conspiracy theories?  

  22. # Anonymous Cllr. Gavin Ayling

    Excellent deconstruction Alison, excellent.

    And Pan responds with three words...?

    Come on.  

  23. # Anonymous pan

    Excellent deconstruction in your hole.

    Pretty much all of that is completely irrelevant, and nothing more than a recycling of the same laundry list of grievances. 7/7 is fair enough, man, but it only serves to make my point: this ain't 7/7. This ain't even Salman Rushdie.

    Look: some superstitious idiots made a few remarks about some other superstitious idiots, causing the latter superstitious idiots to get offended. End of story. What the fuck has this got to do with my daily routine? Why do any of you give a shit?

    The only answer that I can see is this: you are all completely and utterly obsessed with Muslims.

    Alison pretends to consider that there may be media bias, but the thrust of her comment denies even the slightest over-emphasis in the reporting of these events: "The headline facts are as they are - the media can only tell it like it is".

    Bollocks. The demonisation of ordinary Muslims (and Alison's own blanket judgments - "That ridiculous penchant muslims have for whipping themselves into hysteria" etc.) are today being justified by this completely disproportionate focus on the antics of a handful of angry dudes. Tomorrow that hatred and fear will be justified by something else, and it will be every bit as unwarranted.

    You wanna talk Holocaust denial? The most dangerous thing you can deny about the Holocaust is that it could only have happened in an industrial society just like ours. It was only 60 years ago - we did it before, we can do it again. And this is almost exactly what went down in the lead up to the last one.

    And by the way, it's true I dip into this blog from time to time, but I haven't seen any abusive comments directed at Jonz' colleague. I believe I've spoken of my own regret that his colleague died in the 7/7 bombings, though, so you quit your moral grandstanding, and cease this idiotic reliance on that most tedious and imbecilic argument: "I didn't hear you condemn that, so how can you condemn this". Like I said before, I ain't in the habit of tossing out random condemnations - these tend to be nothing but posturing, anyway.

    Reason I answered in 3 words was because that was the only interesting part of your entire comment, which was otherwise just the same hysterical kneejerk recitation of the career bigot's favourite talking points, and nothing to do with the point I was making, namely: why the hell should I be scared of some ragtag bunch of placard waving yahoos?

    Now, what conspiracy theories?  

  24. # Blogger Tu s. Tin

    Allison,

    "Jonz is right to point out inadeqacies and blatant hypocrisy in this regard. And, bad luck, but he is entitled to strongly criticize a religion."

    sorry to copy your entire comment but....
    you are asuming all muslims have one and the same beliefs, and that they are unaware of the changes that need to be made within.
    Are you both scolars of Islam now that you feel it your right and duty to enlighten them?

    "You are suggesting he isn’t because Islam is how muslims define themselves and their culture making it ‘racist’ to do so. Rubbish."

    yes it is becoming racist when you group them all together as a race.

    "It’s a deeply flawed religion, like many. And the majority of those who suffer under it and from it ARE muslims."

    This is true.. in some areas of the world Islam is being used as an excuse to enforce very oppresive lifestyles on its people. What makes you think they don't realize this themselves,
    And think it is against what their religion teaches.
    It is partly to blame for the immagration problems. All Islamic countries are not the same. There are those who struggle and whish to be moderized. Everyones vision of freedom is differnt, they want reform, change and choices.
    They do not want to wage jihad, take over or destroy the world in Gods name.

    "Islam needs its enlightenment and is up there for criticism just as Christianity has been."

    soooo, in the perfect world you have figured out, you not only know everything.... but your always right so everyone should listen to you. And the first step is to attack and moderate peoples religion to suite your liking through "enlightenment".
    please don't stop with christians and muslims.
    step 2 is.. spread and defend liberty with force, which judging by your blogs and comments might make everyone british.
    hummm......
    control or end religion, make everyone the same / get rid of the ones who arent........
    I guess step three would be the deciding factor...
    are you communist-nazi-or imperialist?  

  25. # Blogger Tu s. Tin

    jonz,
    you are right to be concernd by these statistics.
    I don't know the answer, but propaganda and media from the middle east is just as much to blame.....it's not entirely the fault of a religion.  

  26. # Blogger Tu s. Tin

    sorry there's more,

    "The enemy is anyone who is concerned enough about life and liberty to want to defend it."

    I am more than concerend, and will defend it! will that make me your enemy now?

    "All we need for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing."

    exactly!!!!
    and the evil I see now is a greater threat to my world.

    "And doing something does not have in its remit criticising those who defend seek to defend liberty with his or her heart and mind.

    I never said you were wrong, I only question your approach.
    I used to think you were a hero, now I wonder if you fight for your own glory.
    I will defend liberty also... with all my heart and all my mind. I will do it with my life if nessacary.
    and I will stand for a world full of diversity and differences and one that allows people to make their own choices and pick their own freedoms and lifestyles wether it is one I would pick for myself or agree with at all.
    I do not support terrorists, jihadist, ect.... and I will not give in to threats, but when a fight for freedom forces others to give up theirs what does it become?  

  27. # Anonymous alison

    Thanks Gavin

    I gave it a considered response. A got a silly then a crap response. ill ignore it as its not really Pans best effort. only difference this time is that he's all a bit miffed. one interesting point in any of it is the Holocaust remark where he seems to have forgotten muslims are already suffering a genocide at the hands of other muslims in Sudan.  

  28. # Anonymous alison

    No Im not a scholar Tu s Tin. I answered honestly on the challenge and gave a point of view. I studied Islam a bit ..in France. I spent a bunch of time with some french north africans. I did a bit of research into Islam there, rights of practice, interviewed imams, challenged one in particular on their crap approach to women which was fun. ive always been interested in religion, Islam because i think they way women in particular suffer under and because of it sucks. So yeah I have bothered to find out a bit. But no i dont claim to be an expert. Im reading up on Salman Rushdies (and others) 'reform essays'. i think he and the others make excellent points and I hope they manage to exert some influence. Unfortunately those that do challenge are often shouted down as apostates.

    No its not racist - thats an argument used to shut down debate and criticism. Islam is a way of life, socio-economic, cultural, legal but its still only a stupid mythical religion. Enlightenment reason and reformation are no bad things for religion. These values we have acquired are very far from perfect but not bad in comparison - muslims have a lot of catching up to do (fatwas, stonings..subgugation of women, some or all commonplace).

    The failure of traditionalists and moderates to tackle issues on massive human rights abuses, to influence and address the islamic texts... all leaves Islam wide open to just criticism ...and the texts open to extremists. That should be a massive issue for all practising muslims. And when that mess spills over into a violent problem for all of us then we all get a say.

    And no - im none of the aforementioned labels either. I think the Left have sold out on all the values they claimed to represent though.  

  29. # Blogger Tu s. Tin

    I never disagreed with you.
    only your methods.
    and I attack the hold the media has on us because the other half of the muslim community does speak out and recognize the things you mention..... its just not reported! here there or anywhere.
    which is why I always say the world is at our fingertips... there is no excuse for not finding these things as well.
    you can find all types of blogs out there from all kinds of people.
    If you go into the muslim world yourself... which you say you have... you will find posting and collaberations even inside syria, and packistan who do dont want to start war or support terrorist. They do not want the government to inforce barbaric punishments or eleminate the jews or the U.S. for that matter. They conplain about censorship, a failur to keep up with the outside world and other personal freedoms. They are searching for their own freedom, and they do not ask it to be forced on them and neither do they want to force theirs on any one.
    There maybe issues or traditions about their culture you don't like or think wrong, but don't think it's just theirs.  

  30. # Anonymous alison

    I follow a lot i dont just read the msm, as ive said. Neither i dont think does JOnz. Which is why saying he takes his cue from them is simply incorrect. Lately ive followed womens rights demos in Iran. (You can see Jonz links to Azemehrs blog, go take a look where he covers the demos well). None of that is covered by the msm. None of those women are supported by their 'enlightened' sisters in the west as they pursue freedoms. I accept and challenge what i view as patently wrong here and the lefts sell out on that IS wrong. I think my last comment addresses how i feel in relation to your other points and what you say in no way detracts from the essential premise about reforming islam and hauling its ass out of the middle ages.  

  31. # Anonymous pan

    Jesus, I only asked one simple question. How hard can it be?  

  32. # Anonymous alison

    Pan - with your bigoted little foot stamping responses of no substance whatsoever you seriously think im bothered in continuing a 'polite debate' with you? LOL. Re read your conspiracy laden bollocks above if youre curious. I did love how outraged you were at the whole 'comments condoning' shit being chucked straight back at you. I agree you were imbecilic. I'm afraid, unlike Tu, thats where i draw the line. I still think you're an idiot.  

  33. # Blogger jonz

    Pan, do you claim 40% of British muslims as "fringe"?  

  34. # Blogger Tu s. Tin

    I'm all about freedom....do what you want.  

  35. # Anonymous juan

    Are you? 'A free society is one where its safe to be unpopular'. at the top of this blog. jihadis get to say what they want but 'jonz' cant point out the flaws apparently. Accusing a blogger of not using the internet to research things at his fingertips is hilarious. This blog covered the ludicrous MSM UN ambulance story proven to be a load of shit. Also they are 'searching for their freedom' (Tu s Tin) whilst the Left in the West turns the other cheek**:-

    "There maybe issues or traditions about their culture you don't like or think wrong, but don't think it's just theirs".(Tu s Tin)

    **Thats an issue with my culture I dont like. That and the 'fringe'. Is it ok with you if thats voiced? Jeez.  

  36. # Anonymous metal

    useful information blog,very good content.  

  37. # Blogger Tu s. Tin

    juan,
    I would never want jonz to stop blogging his opinion. I love him for it, and he is not unpopular with me... he's always been my favorite.  

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