Nothing Suspicious Here, Move Along Please

Massive undeclared stash of cash (click picture for article)

The raid brothers failed to tell police or their lawyer that they had £38,000 in cash - in £50 notes stashed in the house.


Nothing suspicious here, move along!

Police were desperate to learn how Kahar, a postal worker, and Tesco shelf-stacker Koyair could have had such a vast sum in their house.
Indeed. Some family info refarding armed robberies and adherence to the law:

The elder brother of Kahar and Koyair was arrested for three armed robberies in 2002 and later jailed for six years. Mohammed Abdullah Hasnath used a black pistol during the East London raids.

He was living at the Forest Gate house at the time of his arrest. The gun was never recovered. Kahar is also believed to have nine convictions for offences committed while he was a juvenile between 1996 and 1999.

17 Responses to “Nothing Suspicious Here, Move Along Please”

  1. # Anonymous Anonymous

    that sun report of the interview is very well editted to suit there facist bias, and why wasnt the money mentioned before? Surely this would have helped the police cause!?  

  2. # Blogger jonz

    Yeah too right Anon, The Sun is well fascist.  

  3. # Anonymous tim baste

    This is pretty low.

    Didn't they try the exact same thing with that other dude they shot for no reason, the Brazilian? Didn't they smear him as a rapist, among other things, as if that, even if it hadn't been a disgraceful lie, would have been any justification for shooting him eight times in the head for no reason?

    Does Mohammed Abdullah Hasnath's criminal record (in robbery, note well, not "Islamofascism") offer any justification for shooting his brother in the chest in the middle of the night, also for no reason?

    "No", is the answer you will spend the next while avoiding. Well, I hope you have fun being an unpaid mouthpiece for these grotesque smears.  

  4. # Blogger jonz

    Yeah that's right Tim Baste, The Sun made it up. It only is reflected in 342 other news sources.  

  5. # Blogger jonz

    Apparently is it was 'rent' money

    Whatever it doesn't bode well for multi-cultural Britain. The explanation from the brothers is that they don't want their money kept in British banks because that's inferior. Islam forbids it. Islam also teaches it's followers to "slay the unbelievers where ye find them".

    If they take their religion so seriously, then surely they're missing huge gaps in it, unless they're just picking and choosing which bits to follow and which bits not to follow.

    Tim, I totally believe whatever these brothers say, because they actually said the sentence "Islam is a religion of peace".

    But I'm sure you'll find a way to exonerate Islam of any wrong doing it might have done over the past 1,400 years and still continues to do to this very day.  

  6. # Anonymous tim baste

    And here we go...

    Jonz, I didn't say that the Sun "made it up". I said that third brother's criminal record for robbery does not in any way justify shooting Kahar in the chest for no reason. It has absolutely nothing to do with cyanide vests or any other thing. It is a blatant attempt to use Mohammed Abdullah Hasnath's past to blacken the names of his brothers, who have so far not been shown to have done anything wrong whatsoever. In that sense, Jonz, it is a smear, as I said, and a particularly nasty one. It goes like this: well, their brother did some bad stuff once, so the other two were probably crooked as hell too, and therefore would have probably deserved a bullet or two at some point or other. It's disgusting.

    My question, again: do you think that Hasnath's criminal record justifies his brothers' brutal treatment? If not - and I fail to see how even you can argue otherwise - then you have to wonder why we are even talking about it.

    "But I'm sure you'll find a way to exonerate Islam of any wrong doing it might have done over the past 1,400 years and still continues to do to this very day."

    I honestly think you've gone crazy. What has this got to do with any of this? Don't you think it's very weird that a British citizen is shot in the chest for no reason in the middle of the night by the police, and yet it is him that has to explain himself for the likes of you?

    Seriously, what the hell is that about? What if the same thing happened to a member of your family? Do you think your brother would be asked to explain why he shouldn't have been shot, or do you think that the onus would be on the cops to account for their actions? Why is Kahar expected to establish that he is unshotworthy? How do his religious and/or philosophical beliefs have anything whatsoever to do with the fact that he has just been subjected to appalling police brutality? How do his views on "jihad" change that fact? What difference do they make? Why, after being shot, beaten, detained and then released without charge, is he still being treated like a suspect?

    You're right on one thing, though: this episode doesn't bode well for multi-cultural Britain. Because what hope do we have for that if the police can break into a Muslim man's house in the night and shoot him for no reason? What hope do we have if the Muslim victim of state violence at that level is expected to retrospectively establish that he didn't deserve it? Does that sound like a society that any decent individual would want to live in, let alone a Muslim man?

    Where is your sense of justice? Where is your humanity? Honestly.  

  7. # Anonymous Umbongo

    I agree that the police and intelligence services might have been incredibly stupid, incompetent and, it appears, credulous. Mind you - at the sharp end - if I'd been told that a house I was going to raid was, almost certainly, a chemical bomb factory I'd have been a tad nervous and, if I had a gun, I'd be ready to use it at the drop of a hat. This doesn't excuse the shooting but Dixon of Dock Green would have been a bit out of his depth here.  

  8. # Anonymous tim baste

    "...if I'd been told that a house I was going to raid was, almost certainly, a chemical bomb factory..."

    Was this what they were told? "Almost certainly"? How do you know?

    250 cops is already a long way from Dixon of Dock Green. I'm not suggesting that police should respond to intelligence reports of terrorist activity with a whole lot of "what 'ave we got 'ere, then?", but when you're ready to shoot the first guy that comes down the stairs in the chest on the say-so of one informant, then I think it's safe to say that something's gone very wrong indeed.

    But then, I hear his other brother was a bad dude at one time, so who knows, eh?  

  9. # Blogger Malcolm

    Who is the woman in the dog collar sashaying along with the enemy ? What was she saying, that islam is the relgion of peace ?  

  10. # Anonymous Umbongo

    "Was this what they were told? "Almost certainly"? How do you know?"

    I don't know - and I never claimed to know - but it's a reasonable assumption. Or are you assuming that they were told something like "there's nothing in there but there might be and anyway it doesn't matter because what we're really about is frightening and intimidating (and if possible shooting) Muslims"? Of course, you don't know either but apparently you tend to think the worst of the police anyway. I'm saying they're incompetent and credulous. I would also say that the higher you go in the Met the worse they are but if I was working at the sharp end I'd be fairly nervous. After all - and you probably dislike being reminded of this - followers of Islam, even ones born here, have a record of indiscriminate violence or was 7/7 all my fault for being insensitive?  

  11. # Anonymous tim baste

    Umbongo: "Or are you assuming..."

    I'm not assuming anything. I just thought it was a bit weird to try to explain the shooting on the basis of an assumption about what the police were told that was made in the almost complete absence of any relevant information, that's all.

    "...apparently you tend to think the worst of the police anyway"

    Like what? Like they broke into an innocent man's home in the middle of the night and shot him for no reason? I wonder where I get those crazy ideas from? I've made no statements about why I think that happened. It could be incompetence and credulity, like you said. It could be something else. I don't know. But I'm happy that we're at least talking about what the police did, as opposed to completely irrelevant stuff like Kahar's personal views on religion, and whether or not those views retrospectively justify his copping a slug in the chest courtesy of Yer Majesty's Finest.

    "...and you probably dislike being reminded of this..."

    I'm perfectly aware of 7/7 already. I didn't forget, so the reminder, superfluous as it is, doesn't bother me in the slightest. What does bother me, however, is that it is now used as some sort of short-hand, knee-jerk justification for these kinds of brutal catastrophes:

    "Okay, so the two dudes were innocent, just like that De Menezes guy, but hey, you know what? Seven Seven, that's what. So stop asking questions."

    Well, that ain't gonna fly.

    Malcolm: "...sashaying along with the enemy"

    The enemy? You're joking, right?  

  12. # Anonymous Umbongo

    TB

    I wouldn't get too excited. In the unlikely event that you read what I've written you would understand that I have some sympathy with the police who actually raided the house because, if I'd been them, I would have been nervous raiding a house which I was (probably) told was a bomb factory. I'd be more nervous if I was told that the inhabitants of the house are of the same religious persuasion as those responsible for 7/7. That was the sole point of bringing up 7/7: it doesn't excuse the police but, in context, I can see why they might have been wary.

    For the future two bits of advice: address the argument that's being made not what you think is the argument and don't overstate your case.  

  13. # Anonymous tim baste

    "...because, if I'd been them, I would have been nervous raiding a house which I was (probably) told was a bomb factory"

    "Probably" is the key word here. "Probably" is the word that lets us all know that you are talking out yer hole. "Probably" means that you have absolutely no basis whatsoever for what you are saying.

    Your own "nerves" are of absolutely no consequence, fella. So you might have been jittery in the event that you were told something that may or may not have been told to people who aren't you? Is that your point? Is that it? Is that all you got? Forget the condescending "advice" bit, dude. Why not try having an actual point instead?  

  14. # Blogger Malcolm

    tim baste
    The enemy ? You're joking, right ?

    Wrong, these lads are against our western society and way of life. That makes them the enemy.  

  15. # Blogger jonz

    Malcolm I wouldn't waste your breath with Tim. He would fully support the right of terrorists to commit terrorist acts. You converted yet Tim? Save all this jihad lark from happening, eh?  

  16. # Anonymous tim baste

    Jonz: "He would fully support the right of terrorists to commit terrorist acts"

    Oh for the love of christ. Is this all you can muster?

    And lo, Jonz deals out the smackdown on rational debate. Tremendous work, guy.  

  17. # Anonymous alison

    Timmy - Relax. I hear the police are planning on releasing plans to help your relatives deal with the aftermath of an arrest or raid.  



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